Compressed air power train for vehicles

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6.04348

In addition of presented air driven car which is principally different from Australian development in the way that increases travel distance to 1000km by using, instead of air propulsion kinetic energy, compressed air static pressure and converts it to rotary motion and does not require transmission and huge air tank storage. Inexpensive power train, easy to refill or replace tank as for gas tanks, safe, etc. 

 

Contestant organization: 
PIPS
Venture partners: 

Looking for venture partner

Describe your venture: 

In addition of presented air driven car which is principally different from Australian development in the way that increases travel distance to 1000km by using, instead of air propulsion kinetic energy, compressed air static pressure and converts it to rotary motion and does not require transmission and huge air tank storage. Inexpensive power train, easy to refill or replace tank as for gas tanks, safe, etc. 

 

I am also Inventor for several alternative energy solutions: SLT - enrgy saving devices, can save 35% of energy cost (by allowing to use smaller electric motor) for pumps, compressors and other rotary motion devices;  Flow engine - new type of very effective wind turbines (for covenient use on roof of building and even car roof); SPEC - static pressure to energy conversion devices with applications for CO2 free vehicles, energy storage and lake deep water (over 50m) static pressure energy utilization. 

Emissions reduction potential: 

Emission free in urban environment, requires tank with eight gallon size under 100-300 bar pressure to drive up to 1000 km. (depending of pressure level).  Use static pressure only, not kinetic flow. 

Emission free in the way that it is accompanied with energy received from deep water static pressure in lake Ontario or in ocean.  50 KW @ 50 m depth from every square meter of device footprint.  

The team: 

Inventor alone, no team, looking for promoter or Company interested to cooperate

Seeking collaborators: 
Yes
Potential collaborators should contact : 
Dr. Arov [email protected] 416 750 7395
How will you ensure your project is self supporting within five years?: 

Already 25 years in business, expect to have partners from outside Canada soon.

Comments

we can save 35% by just not converting from DC to AC and back again when we charge anything that is battery powered. Without a detailed description of the process I cannot comprehend how applying pressure will provide efficient power generation it seems you seek the perpetual machine.

How could this proposal be improved?: 

provide calculation and documentation that potential exists.

Power delivered to device output shaft:   torque for every rotation  M = p * R * R * L  where  if  p= 40 bar (4,000,000 N/sq.m), R= device internal radius 0.1m, L= length of impeller 0.2m  M= 8000 Nm= 5,875 lb-ft;  with expected 3600rpm=60 rps (needs to be confirmed - max. 200rps possible)  E= 8000 * 60 =480,000 W = 480KW  (electric car require approx. 27KW).  This is simply example for small Arov static pressure engine.  Tank size 30 litres with 300bar pressure compressed air will allow approx. 1000 km travel between fill ups.  This is actual device prototype sizes, with price reward will be able to build and test (patent pending).  There is other concern raised by another visitor to this idea - infrastructure.  It is easier to build than for hydrogen or gasoline, but leave this problem until testing is performed and confirmed, maybe it will be as simple as with cars on LNG.  Also remember that along this is under development another idea of mine - creation of device using deep water static pressure (lake or ocean, uses the same formula for energy calculation 50m = 5 bar, the deeper - the better)  to energy conversion which solves problem for energy required for air compression.

    

slyder's picture

This seems like it has potential, but I got lost in all of the technical jargon.

How could this proposal be improved?: 

Clarification on what is being propose, and a business model for implementation.

You are absolutelly correct about  35%  DC to AC conversion loss for wind and solar during GRID connection. Mentioned SLT energy  savings related to reduction of required power for motor used and possibility to use smaller AC motor. Thanks for comment and interest.

  

Interesting in that it could increase the efficiency of existing technologies without demanding a perhaps unrealistic degree of behavioral change from users. Definitely worth looking into, I'd think.

Chris Caners's picture

Hello - 

Compressed-air power trains are an interesting technology in concept, but your pitch really needs far more practical details on your actual product, what your business plan is and how community partners would play a role.

Thanks, Chris

oilnomore's picture

I know a little bit about compressed air cars in France and Australia. Is this idea on papers or is there any actual model demonstrating and proving the idea? Need to explain it in plain language what it makes so different.

How could this proposal be improved?: 

Back in early 20th century, New York had compressed air subway tube tunnel on an experimental run that never materialized. If you can demonstrate a running model and prove it works, that may attract investors indeed.

Sandra Oh's picture

PIPS: "...with price reward will be able to build and test (patent pending)"

If I may speak on behalf of others, I think what PIPS is seeking is simply funding to start a pilot project/prototype based on his ideas, which are currently on paper only. Do you confirm, PIPS?

How could this proposal be improved?: 

For the sake of non-engineers and 

Tyler Hamilton's picture

PIPS, you write this: "My proposal solves this problem by offering new solution -  by using instead of kinetic energy of compressed air when air after expansion in engine during work cycle is released, which brings to the forefront problem with storage tank size and weight and other problem with travel distance... I developed an idea to use static pressure of compressed air applied to device rotor (with possible only leakage loss) continuously creating constant torque (patent pending) output without loss of compressed air and this makes it a winner."

I've written about the French-designed Air Car so have a bit of an idea of how this works, but you have to be clearer when talking about the difference with your approach. Most people here don't know the difference between kinetic energy of compressed air versus static pressure of compressed air, and how this makes your proposal different.

You need to break this down into very simple language. Until then, I can't give you high marks because I can't completely understand where you're coming from.

How could this proposal be improved?: 

Better, clearer explanation --stop talking like an engineer, start talking like a business man.

tstoate's picture

Sounds like huge market potential if the numbers can be made to work at scale. Experienced inventor! Hard to really get a hold on it all as it is mentionned by others. See comments re imprrovements. 

 

 

How could this proposal be improved?: 

So what you are saying is that as compressed air is released it pushes the car along. I aasume that the air is compressed using electricity and there is a comparison you could make that shows that total fuel used to travel the same distance is much better with your technology. The comparison by way of a chart would be to hybrdids or  pure electric cars, fossil fuels or fuel cells and...

I am not sure that I understand the technical aspects and advantages of the particular technolgy so wonder if you have any independent tests or is the still theoreetical exercise? 

I also understand that there is a problem with the need to have large storage space for compressed air but that you have also solved this - is that correct? 

I think the answers to that would help me appreciate the technology better - it sure sounds exciting- but not enough information for me to understand the potential

I think the 'idea' is wonderful and sounds like a great solution

How could this proposal be improved?: 

You need 'buy-in' and to get it people need to understand how it will work and how it will be sustainable.  Can I have more information in lay terms?

JLanger's picture

Lots of discussion these days about using water pressure to store energy...eg: the big balloon in Lake Ontario project.  But it still takes energy to develop the pressure.  What is the balance, and how does that play out from a greenhouse gas persective? 

How could this proposal be improved?: 

Are there any vehicles which are more amenable to this technology, eg: utility vehicles, personal vehicles, trains, etc.?  What does it take to move from theory/idea to practical implementation, eg: do you need one of the major car companies to be interested?  

 

 

Deepak Ramachandran's picture

Please read below.

How could this proposal be improved?: 

I’m excited to see so many entrepreneurial proposals on ClimateSpark.  I especially like the model of social ventures that can sustain themselves by creating their own revenue and be less dependent on grants or gifts.  

In my own experience starting and building several companies, I’ve often employed “bootstrapping” techniques so I’m not dependent on external capital (VCs, etc.).  One technique I’ve used successfully is to recruit one or more “lead customers” who pay me up-front for a service (e.g., consulting or something they need right away), which gives me the capital to build my product or capability for them.  The big advantages:  cash up-front (or early); a real customer to help make sure my design is something they’ll want to buy; and a great partner to test ideas with as I’m getting off the ground. 

What’s your bootstrapping strategy?  Have you tried to develop “lead customers” for your product or service?  Have you talked to potential customers ? What are you doing to get cashflow from them  early, so your idea can gain traction?

interested's picture

Each proposal in ClimateSpark is bringing a valuable community based idea forward to help with energy conservation and the reduction of carbon emissions

How could this proposal be improved?: 

Centennial College, School of Communications Media & Design, Corporate Communications and Public Relations Class of 2012 will be working on a set of mock press releases, in anticipation of this proposal being one of the 20 to be selected on October 31 to continue to ClimateSpark Ignite Phase 2.

If you would like to be interviewed as part of the mock press release development process, please send a note to Professor Barry Waite, [email protected] by Friday October 21, 2011.

If you choose not to be interviewed, the mock press release will be developed based on Information currently posted in the description of your idea, as well as information gleaned from the various comment interactions.

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